1: @69
"nasa has 70% indians , silicon city has 60% of indians ... these patents comes from indians brains only guys!"

Stop falling victim to an Internet hoax! Your statistics are all fake. Even the Times of India made fun of your statistics a while back. See http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/I ndia-rising-in-US-Govt-falls-victim-to-net-ho ax/articleshow/2856295.cms

Posted by: Jeff - 18 Feb, 2010

2: Many people say lack of talent in India.

In some European countries, 100 million populations produce 0.5 million scientists. One may google for country wise exact figure. Statistically Indians are not less talented than other people. So we, with 1000 million populations, should have at least 5 million scientists. So, even if, 1 million peoples migrate to outside India, we should have 4 million scientists.

Therefore the logic “unfilled IIT professor sits etc” is not correct. Something is wrong(dal me kuch kala hay).
We fail to nurture talent. World second populous country should not have scarcity of talent. We are not and no way less talented than all other races.

Investment is the key, investment in infrastructure, and human resources. I pointed out before, how many phd scholarships are awarded per year in India ?

One moderately good quality laboratory may cost 10 million dollar where one can do research in fore front and find something new for patent. (For example: just a modern electron microscope alone cost between 3 to 5 million dollar, forget other cost)

Where as the cost from human resource are

An IIT professors get yearly 12,000 dollar
A post doc in USA get yearly 24000$ - 36000 dollar
A phd student in India get yearly 3800 dollar

human resource cost in India is very low.
The point is good laboratory. If you don’t have good laboratory and infrastructure you can't be in forefront.
Forget electron microscope, the basic necessarily electricity, one need 24 hours non stop electricity. how many Universities/Institute in India can provide it ? and hundreds such reasons hinder our growth in this sector.

Here are some statistics for the reader:

World Ranking of India based on leading scientific citation collector on November 2009 in 10 years cycle.

Subjects Papers Citations
Chemistry - 7 - 10
Materials Science - 8 - 8
Physics - 10 - 14
Engineering - 11 - 13
Biology - 11 - 19

Explanation: It means, all over the world, we rank seventh in chemistry in terms publishing scientific paper in peer review international journal, and citation wise we ranked tenth. And so on .

In terms of total number of papers

USA - 2,974,344
Japan - 788,650
Germany - 766,162
China - 649,689
India - 253,520

We are not so bad, we are performing very well if one consider the amount of money all together invested in research. We have lot of talents in India. We just need more investment from government and Industry for infrastructure and for human resource.

Posted by: Sunita - 15 Feb, 2010

3:You may be right. But, we need to tackle with many mindless politicians, a lot of head strong bureaucrats and also the so called scholars to become better than not so bad.
The fundamental problem the nation is facing since it's formation is lack of quality in primary, secondary and higher education in school for the children. We have developed and invested a lot in IIT's, IIM's, IISc, etc. and several Universities for higher studies. It's terrible to see most of the government schools without basic amenities, with poor infrastructure and careless teaching. Hope people belonging to this diverse nation realise soon and think from the beginning.

 Srinidhi Seshadri replied to: Sunita 
 post - 27 Feb, 2010

4: Why are all those responsible distinguished personalities who lead the mantle, concerned with this news or subject, both from Government as well as from private sectors not speaking out herein and commit to all our patriot brethren Indians' whose reputation and honor they hold, themselves or promise to mend the damage done in a stipulated time set on their own ?

Posted by: MsM - 13 Feb, 2010

5: Most of us fail to understand one fact that India is still behind the most of the countries in the top 15 UN patent filings in terms of Standard of life. Most of the current generation people in India are still have to earn for their basic needs, flat, car,...etc., So the equation is simple..you can not blame if majority of the engg. & MBA grads from top Indian schools including IITs & IIMs are still craving for MNCs for the 5 digit & 6 didgit salaries. Most of the engg. & MBA college toppers end up settling for run of the mill jobs in the run for achieving higher Social standards of life. So the problem is at the grassroot level. But we all have a part to play rather than just waiting for new generation to come over and take us into the lead in R&D. We have to put in the systems in place...Parents to instill the rational thinking in kids...Teachers to encourage students to question assumption...Govt. to create infrastructure & policies to favour the R&D field...Hope things will start get into place soon..

Prakash Potnuru

Posted by: P Prakash - 13 Feb, 2010

6: Yes, Indians may think more outside the box compared to the Chinese, but I think it is high time Indians are given the opportunity to be bigger risk takers and get funding to start their own companies more easily. When is India going to have its own Google, Apple, Microsoft?

Its all good and well doing the hard work for these MNCs, but India will benefit a lot more if its own innovative high-tech companies that came up with products to challenge the likes of Microsoft Office, Intel Pentium processor, Apple iPhone, etc?

As an Indian I feel the environment in China is much better for people to get funding to start their own companies than it is India. Indians have done a lot in the field of IT in the last decade or so, but too often it has been for US and other Western based MNCs because risk-taking isn't encouraged in the country.

Posted by: A Malik - 12 Feb, 2010

7:What innovation hava india got in the field of IT exactly? enlighten me. Look at the mirror, you are what you are and nothing more. Indian is not that innovative no matter how you look at it, sad to say so, but it is true. The number tell the story, every year we produce hundred thousand graduate in Science and technology, so why india are still so backward in science resarch, infrastructure so bad when we think ITT produce the top engineering grad form the world. Because They are NEVER as good as we brag they are. Some of those gradrate are great, but most of them are substandard when compared to students from US or China. Time to wake up!

 Bose replied to: A Malik 
 post - 12 Feb, 2010

8: Quite obivious it is. Indians always follow others. They don't use their own brains. Take an example of top three IT companies, they are earning loads of money but innovation...? ha, no way...They are just focussing on how well they can 'serve' their client. Ok, I do agree when they started off, this attitude was necessary, now after becoming behemoth why don't they dream to become global gaints like IBM, Apple or Google...? Still their R&D spend is negligible. Why? because chances of ROI (at least in short term) are very less. But I don't understand why don't they concentrate on long term gains & the value off originality. Companies like Infosys have the rquired talent, resources & mentor like Narayanmurthy. Infact they got a break after making breakthrough product Finacle which is widely used in Core Banking. They should transform their companies into product based companies now where scope of innovation is large.

Posted by: abhijit - 11 Feb, 2010

9: Look at those depressing statistics, maybe china will become a gobal innovation superpower. Meanwhile, india is more of a regional innovation superpower. We got more patent than pakistan, that is something to brag about.

Posted by: Willie - 10 Feb, 2010

10: As long as there are interventions of politics in science and technology and innovation, any country will never grow further and faster.

Posted by: Anand Akkenapalli - 10 Feb, 2010

11: I will term it as a "Hunger for Money" attitude of Indians! Money drives Indians crazy and thus they can do anything and everything to earn more and more money. The major source that earns Indians large amount of money is overseas opportunities. Indians don't bother to sell their skill no matter how precious it is and don't bother who takes the credit out of their innovation. They have gone blind ahead factor called "MONEY". "JAGO INDIANS JAGO"

Posted by: SadIndian - 10 Feb, 2010

12: It is sad that that culture of excellence in not inculcated in our day to day visions. The qualification of consciousness in seeking international recognition is definitely lacking in India. The spirit to excel internationally is not inculcated by the norms of the government in general. Only few of the privatized sectors who have aims and aspirations in that directionality make desperate attempts, often without adequate, necessary government & scientific supports. What can one expect from most often unqualified, unrelated, uninterested leadership that dominate our election systems? Check it out right now from top to bottom from that point of view. How many hold positions & portfolios which they are qualified for? Just because they get elected with all foul norms they are forced upon to perform duties which they are absolutely most often having no knowledge, nor valid qualification of, whatsoever. When and how could we dream to aspire to be ranked in the sense of excellence of seeking patent-rights internationally for all the great products we produce? So long as intellectual-bankruptcy is not eroded at the top all dreams & aspirations to see India in the fore-most-front will never be achieved.

Posted by: MsM - 09 Feb, 2010

13: In India companies are mainly interested in production. They are least interested in R&D activities. The growth of the people those who are in other areas getting high perks,social status in the society those who are working in Research and Development.
Auomatically these people also foussing on other things.

Posted by: vijay - 09 Feb, 2010

14: Even with available resources, we do not work on cutting edge technologies. We have only application technologists. Those who dare to do original research in this field are demotivated by the behaviour of their bosses and lack of any support. Indians going abroad shine because all these are available there.

Posted by: Subramania Iyer - 09 Feb, 2010

15: The explanation is very simple and totally contradictory to most comments. In any system, OUTPUT DEPENDS UPON INPUT. If one compares the amount of GDP spend on R&D in USA, China, Europe and India, if one compare the number of scientists+research technologists in USA, China and India this picture will be no surprise. In fact India is performing well with high productivity, when one consider the total amount of money spend on research and total number scientists in research. Research progress has very little connection with corruption(all counties has corruption), NRI (China has biggest source of NRC and India has no shortage talents) and ...etc reasons mentioned in these comments. Blame can be given on scientific policy maker who has failed to put more money and involve more man and woman in research. (China as well as USA has more than a million scientists, for GDP spending statistics, reader was asked to used Google. In one science branch of my institute in Europe, the average number of recruitment of phds per year is more than total number of CSIR fellowships for phd awarded all over the INDIA for all science subjects.)

Posted by: Sunita - 09 Feb, 2010

16:I agree with you.
Indian government has to increase funds for R & D. And also encourage companies doing R & D.
Additionally, Giants like Tata, Reliance, Infosys etc should help researchers by Sponsoring them.

And I have one other point.
Education System should be more of Practical oriented than of kilos of theory(3 Idiots).

I have an example for this.
In Practical,
A Student learning C language for 1 year is more valuable than a student completing graduation from an Average college in India.

 Surya replied to: Sunita 
 post - 10 Feb, 2010

17:I AGREE WITH YOU , YOU ARE 2005 RIGHT
THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS
Regards
satish.hakladi@gmail.com
Dubai/UAE

 Satish replied to: Sunita 
 post - 10 Feb, 2010

18:What you said sound good, but untrue. Just like there are IIT professor seat left unfill. It is the shortage of high quality talent, rather than money, is the reason india rank so low, patent need phDs, india just don't have the number of phds it needed.

 Zwinimi replied to: Sunita 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

19: If there is enough monetary compensation in being a scientist or researcher, there will definitely be more people interested in research as a career. But the policies and the money in R&D is so less, that it is not seen as a good career opportunity at all. Hence the shortage of people to fill up these positions.

 Deepak replied to:  Zwinimi 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

20: lack of high level talent is the problem, not lack of money, scientist don't got high pay even if they work in US/UK. Doctor/dentist/investment banker got much higher pay than scientist. if you don't believe me, go to monster.com to check out the average salary of scientist in US. you will be surpised how poorly they are paid, and that is why us import so many scientist from china

 Zwinmi  replied to: Deepak 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

21: Nice statistics. I wish there were statistics which would say in every country what percent of indians (citizens/descendents on citizens of inda) have the patent rights? I am sure atleast 50% of the numbers would be Indians.

Posted by: Naveen - 09 Feb, 2010

22:So for number three (which is Germany) the number you're asking for is zero! I assume for Japan and Korea it is the same.I'm not sure about the Indians in China but I have slight doubts there is a remarkable one.

 Truth_hurts replied to: Naveen 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

23: There are so many reasons for this. one, Most of the brilliant students are studying abroad. Second,Indian faculties and scientists, most of them are also not serious in research activity. third, those who have creative mind, they do not have any type of support from government. forth, maximum government employees are corrupted.

Posted by: madhav singh  - 09 Feb, 2010

24: The main reason is that The Govt.is not serious about it.An individual can not afford to spend huge amount as he/she is not sure of its return.Commercial utilization of IPR is still at its nascent stage.

Posted by: ARK RAO - 09 Feb, 2010

25: We need world class universities,bureaucracy free world class laboratories and research initiaves to attain progress in R & D activities.

So,long babus and baniyas are going to rule and dominate our nation,we can never achieve excellence in scientific research.

Indias have developed traits of traders and back office coolies to the existing shallow socio-economic environment which is a retarder to the growth of original work.

Posted by: Gautam Bardoloi - 09 Feb, 2010

26:ITS NOT BECAUSE OF BABUS AND BANIYAS THE REASON IS A SIMPLE ONE THT WE ARE PUSHED FOR BEAUTIFUL MARK SHEETS WHICH CURBS OUR COMMON SENSE AND INCREASE OUR HUNGER FOR MONEY IT IS A SIMPLE CASE OF OUR LACK OF TAKING INITIATIVES. IT IS SIMPLY THE FAULT OF PARENTS AND STUDENTS NOT OF GOVERNMENT.

 HIMANSHU KHANDELWAL replied to: Gautam Bardoloi 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

27: hey..i tell you problem perhaps many dont know it and will now know what i feel being at a engineering college where every science student in our country would like to study and just for a single reason which is he/she will surly get placed in a multinational and life will be so easy as it had never been before which will never get better for obvious reason( if you are smart enough to get it).its not just political or economical circumstances which get laid on our way in fact more than that it we never like to get on this way by just seeing some difficulties..our infrastructure in these colleges(thought they are the top and obviously you are getting it right) which never supports you and rest all the things come later.By infrastructure i not only mean architect but that of knowledge is so down that it can get drowned by a single tide! If you wanna know the in-depths of these colleges just reply me and you will see as i see!

Posted by: YOGESH - 09 Feb, 2010

28:
Does this surprise anyone given majority of the population still believes in astrology, black magic, etc and people still trust their priests more than their doctors and their scientists? Amrit is right, we fail to apply our minds in the right directions and then blame politicians for all our problems. If we had been applying our mind in the right direction the politicians would not have been a problem anyway. A huge portion of research and development in the US is funded by private individuals in the form of venture funding and angel investing. How many rich Indians do you know who are willing to fund research? Growing up in India my interest in scientific research was only laughed upon even though I was supposed to become a doctor or an engineer. With an attitude like that how can we expect our citizens to be encouraged to innovate?

Posted by: X M  - 09 Feb, 2010

29: Indians have minds but don't know applying them in rite directions...

Posted by: Amrit Wafa - 09 Feb, 2010

30:No Amrit Wafa sorry to say that Indians have minds but our problem is our polictions.

 Younus replied to: Amrit Wafa 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

31: Why do we throw all blames to our Politicians.(After all we are electing them.). It's the System, It's the attitude,and finally it's the people , we who are responsible for every thing.
If we can elect a "GOOD" Politician (with out seeing his party ,caste, religion,region etc etc), then every party will give tickets to only "Good" candidates.
So "Party" with more good candidates forms the govt.
So, every thing is in our hands.

 Surya replied to:  Younus 
 post - 10 Feb, 2010

32: Cannot blame everything on government, we elect those people, we throw trash on the street, we chose what field to study.

 Zwinmi replied to:  Younus 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

33: Though the students in india have patentable ideas theay can not afford the cost of petenting process.

Posted by: vijay - 09 Feb, 2010

34:I guess Its true. Nor do they receive any motivation to continue their work and when they run out of the money they sell their invented ideas.

 Maddy replied to: vijay 
 post - 10 Feb, 2010

35:For your information, the patenting process will not cost more than six thousand rupees, for an individual, at the initial stages and some meager amount for renewals of patents every year till the 20th year.

 guptha replied to: vijay 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

36:The cost of applying for a patent in India is Rs 1000 (one thousand) for an individual person. If a person cant find even this amount he doesnt deserve a patent.

 Manmadh replied to: vijay 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

37: china has been piling up patents for quite some time now.what really makes the the difference is how many of those patents have been turned to real game changing technology.i,personally speaking do not see any great Chinese product as of now. or for that matter any great invention in any field, other than frenzied manufacturing.

Posted by: babai - 09 Feb, 2010

38:Quality depends on the price. Chinese found the weakness of Indians on the price front. That is why they dump Chinese goods in India at a throw away price. On the other hand Chinese goods in US and Europe are of different quality as they pay price for it. You will find in India an all feature mobile from Japan costs around Rs 20,000 while a Chinese one costs just Rs 2500.

Within India itself you will find quality of product from a standard company to the one manufactured locally.

Chinese believe in Bulk sales and small profit while most Indians believe in the reverse.Reectly I was in Singapore and I wanted to purchase a small alarm Clock. I went to an Indian shop and asked for a small alarm clock. The shop owner replied that the cheapest alarm clock he is having costs 18 Singapore Dollars! I know it costs in India just 1 or 2 Singapore Dollars. Then I went to a Chinese shop and they gave me a much better quality alarm clock just for 3 Singapore Dollars.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh replied to: babai 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

39: Anybody who read any major newspapers knew that china is far ahead of india in Science and technology, however, india media seem always ignore those kind of news about china. And india government offical often said that india may lost its "edge" in S&T to china, which was used to mislead ordinary indian to think that they are ahead when the fact show that china passed india in S&T about 10-12 year ago. Surpise! Surpise! Any indian who don't believe me just read the report by financial time about how china may overtake usa in 2020 in science & technology paper. It was published about 2 week ago and no india newspaper pickup and report this important news. india S&T production meanwhile are being catchup by Brazil.
Alas, indian are like the fog living in a well. They got freedom, but few of them want to know the truth

Posted by: Zwinmini - 09 Feb, 2010

40: Most of the Indian scientists or state run organisations work for MNCs in UK or USA as their agents. They donot carry out ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Infact it is shunned.Mostly these Indian professors go on foreign jaunts and invite American professors in return who in turn help in getting green card for siblings of Indian babus and professors.That is the tragedy of OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE a scam set by Americans who snare Indian talent

Posted by: captainjohann samuhanand - 09 Feb, 2010

41: If another study conducted based on people of country origin filing patent in US, Mostly Indians will top. Why such things are not happening in india?

MAY BE reflects captive nature of outsourcing business and leg pulling of each other within India.

Posted by: hii - 08 Feb, 2010

42:Refer my post 3.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh replied to: hii 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

43: Politicians are the mail culprit. All money are going to their locker.

Posted by: Indian - 08 Feb, 2010

44: The Indian Patent Office ranks 9th in the number of patents filed and 12th in the number of patents granted, according to the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s (WIPO) latest data.

The total number of patents filed in India amounted to 28,940, according to the Geneva-based organisation’s recently released World Intellectual Property Indicators-2009 report.

This was behind the US (4,56,154), Japan (3,96,291), China (2,45,161), the Republic of Korea (1,72,469), European Patent Office (1,40,763), Germany (60,992), Canada (40,131) and the Russian Federation (39,439).

In terms of the number of patents granted, India (at 7,539) stood behind Japan (1,64,954), the US (1,57,283), the Republic of Korea (1,23,705), China (67,948), European Patent Office (54,699), the Russian Federation (23,028), Canada (18,550), Germany (17,739), France (12,112), Australia (11,236) and Mexico (9,957).

The WIPO-compiled data pertains to 2007.

What is significant about India, however, is not just its overall ranking, but also the fact that a majority of patents filed and granted by it was to non-residents (whether companies or individuals). Thus, of the 28,940 patents filed in the country, as many as 23,626 (82 per cent) were by non-residents. This was unlike China, where 1,53,060 out of the total 2,45,161 (62 per cent) patents filed originated from resident applicants.

Indeed, if one looks at purely resident patent filings, India’s ranking falls to 11th (5,314), behind Japan (3,33,498), the US (2,41,347), China (1,53,060), the Republic of Korea (1,28,701), Germany (47,853), the Russian Federation (27,505), the United Kingdom (17,375), France (14,722), Italy (9,255) and North Korea (6,922).

In terms of resident patent grants, India (at 1,907) stands at the 13th place, behind Japan (1,40,040), the Republic of Korea (91,645), the US (79,527), China (31,945), the Russian Federation (18,431), Germany (12,977), France (9,748), Italy (5,257), North Korea (4,235), Ukraine (2,505), Spain (2,325) and the UK (2,058).

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)

Posted by: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 08 Feb, 2010

45:Interesting numbers. Numbers! So where is the disconnect. You said:
"in terms of the number of patents GRANTED, India (at 7,539)....China (67,948).."

In contrast the article said China's estimated PATENT FILINGS in 2009 are 7946 (highest ever by China). Huge difference in China's numbers here. Is somebody fuzzing the numbers somewhere?

 Lettruthbetold replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

46: You are mixing International patents and home patents.

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh replied to:  Lettruthbetold 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

47: Okay, I see International vs. home patents. What is the difference though? Is a "home" patent not enforceable internationally?

 Lettruthbetold  replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

48: In an interesting article,” Patents : India Vs. China, Local vs. MNCs – and spineless Indian IT Companies,Sinha wrote(pluggd.IN June 23,2008)
Here is a snapshot of Indian patent story:
In 2007, the total number of patents granted increased by 8X (since 2006) and stands at 15,262. 35,000 (21% growth) patents that were filled in 2007.
Comparison with China (third most prolific patent-filing country in the world after the United States and Japan) throws a different perspective:
• The State Intellectual Property Office of China (SIPO) received a total of 245,161 20-year patent applications in 2007 .
• SIPO received approximately the same number of 20-year applications in 1997 as the IPO (i.e. Indian Patent Office) did in 2007-08. So, as far as stats are concerned, India is approximately 10 years behind China.
Ratio of domestic to foreign filing
• In 2007, filings by domestic applicants in China accounted for 62.4 percent, the y-on-y increase in domestic 20-year patent application filing in the country was 25 %, whereas that of foreign filings was only 4.5 percent.
• In India, foreign applicants filed 80 % of the patents, and the corresponding growth in domestic application filing was only 20 percent during the same period. [via]
SpineLessness
• No IT/ITES companies, including TCS and Infosys (with only 35 and 29 published applications respectively), feature in the Top 200 list of filers with the IPO.
• Six domestic pharmaceutical and biotech companies – Ranbaxy, Dr. Reddy’s Labs, Orchid Pharmaceuticals, Cadila Healthcare, Cipla and Sun Pharmaceuticals – appear in the Top 100 list and another three – Aurobindo Pharmaceuticals, Torrent Pharmaceuticals and Matrix Labs – appear in the next 100 list of filers with the IPO.
Evalueserve’s study suggests changes to the existing patent application process, and allow a second category of patents, known as utility model patents, which have a validity of 10 years from their filing date and which can be granted within 6 to 12 months since they are not examined substantively.
The patent growth in China is also attributed to the lower cost of patent application – the filing fee for 10-year patents is only US $70!.
What’s really concerning about dismal patent numbers in India is the lack of interest in IT sector – which is supposed to be knowledge sector (isn’t Bangalore, world’s # 2 tech hotspot?)
Do Indian IT companies give a damn to IP? I believe, it’s just a lip service (and is handled by PR and not R&D dept.) and nothing beyond that.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh replied to: Lettruthbetold 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

49:Thanks for all the info. Well and good. But you did not answer my questions. Any further attempt please? Just curious!

Also, on the name of patenting I do have to ask one more thing - how come most of the Indian vegetables grown in my garden are "patented" in the US or Europe?

 Lettruthbetold  replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

50: Is a "home" patent not enforceable internationally?

Answer:
If an inventor wants to protect his invention in a particular foreign country, he must apply for and be granted a patent by that country’s patent office because a patent issued by one country is not enforceable in another country. For example, a US patent is only enforceable in the United States. If the applicant also wishes to obtain patent protection for that invention in Japan, he will have to file for and be granted a patent by the Japanese Patent Office.

How come most of the Indian vegetables grown in my garden are "patented" in the US or Europe?


Answer:
If I understood your question correct, perhaps they were not patented in India or in USA or Europe the local people might have taken patents.

In fact this PATENT is a tricky business. There are Attorneys who pretend that they will help in the patenting process and make a lot of money. When I wrote to USA to some of the Attorneys they said my Inventions will fetch a lot of money if they are patented and used by Industry.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh  replied to: Lettruthbetold 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

51: I think many of the patents done from US and other countries are by Indians who settled there. People going for higher studies, do patents there and they gets registered under thats country's name. But the fact is many of those who go there don't come back and settle there for their growth and development. Point to be noted is India has a lot of talent, talent will come out where there is opportunity.

Posted by: Josyula Krishna - 08 Feb, 2010

52: Obviously,

You know the cost of applying for patent? If you are applying patent in India its somewhere around 80K to 90K and for US it will crosses more than 15, 00,000. Also, the time taken to get your patent registered will be 10 to 15 months may be 2years also (depends),

Am a Phd student, though I have 2 to 3 patent work to be registered I cant afford it. Just because am getting 4digit stipend for the Phd work what am doing. My guide not agreeing for patent since project does not have grants!

Well, looking at this, I don’t feel (does not have that much amount to register it by myself) like going for patent, rather I would publish the paper and add it my resume.

Gov of India has to motivate and make the process and cost affordable and help/educate all research scholars/common man about importance of patent filing. Also, allot more fund.

Check the below link to know more.

ezinearticles.com
ipindia.nic.in
patentstepsinc.com

Posted by: PatentNotRequired - 08 Feb, 2010

53:Ministry of Science and Technology,Government of India has set up up a corpus of Rs.55 crore to help scientists convert their prototypes to tangible commercial products. Though the amount is meager, it is a good beginning.

Just as Bill Gates created funds for AIDS project, corporate giants like Tata,Birla,Mahindra etc., and IT big companies like TCS,Infosys,Wipro etc.,will be doing service to the Nation by creating an INNOVATION FUND especially for rural Innovators. Innovation, Invention and Creativity are the pillars of development of any country. Though there are NRDC, TePP (DSIR), TIFAC, National Innovation Foundation which are providing funds for Innovations, their efforts are limited.

It is hoped Corporate Houses will realize and reflect their Social Responsibility which they often talk.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh replied to: PatentNotRequired 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

54: Have anybody thought of how many students enroll in the core subjects of science and how many laboratories are fully equipped be it Government or Private. If you look at the choice of students in the past 5 years, everybody wants only in Computer Science [No hardware only software] telecommunication. At least academic year 2009 - 10 showed some people opting for Core sciences, due to slow down on IT and ITES. Hopefully this trend continues.
Instead expecting Government to come to our assistance for all, why not Corporates go full steam ahead for R & D in specific applications or fields.

Posted by: krishnamurthy R - 08 Feb, 2010

55: I agree with you all for some extent but the measure issue is not only with the Government but also with the Research Institutes, Engg Colleges, IITs & IIMs etc etc... If they push their students for Research and provide them proper facilities then the students will come with many a new innovations and ideas. As you are aware India is full of Talent. We can easily throw any other country behind but from 1957 we are just saying this and not working to do the same.

I hope every one out there if start doing something different or can say out of your 24 hours if you can give 2 hours for research then that will be a great achievement.

Apperently if Institutions and we push everything on research then I feel we again can push Government for filling up more and more patents.

If government is not approaching us hten why not we ?

Also we have various NRI we can ask them also to support in this.

--- Prasad Kumbhojkar
Team Lead
XXX technologies

Posted by: prasad kumbhojkar - 08 Feb, 2010

56: I think some indians think R&D is something done by PHDS who are greyed out in the fields of nuclear science or space , for years together ,but in reality R & D is something that helps a process to be done in a better way that improves business process & efficiency .
The three major IT companies TCS(has R & D in travel industry at chennai ,infosys has some patents in I.T process(automation testing) ,HCL (aerospace) .
likewise Wipro ,hopefully we can see more such activities in other areas like petrochemicals(Reliance),Automotives(Mahindra 's).
IISC (indian Institute of Science) is also active ,hopefully government can provide more funds and we can see a sustained momentum in future to gradually ramp up.
Rama mohana Rao Anne
Sydney Australia

Posted by: rama mohana rao anne - 08 Feb, 2010

57: Don’t worry ! all such problems will be solved when India becomes world no. 1 in 2020!

Posted by: wills - 08 Feb, 2010

58:Really, just like that all the problems will disappear! All's well, right? We tend to live in our own bubble thinking we are the smartest people on the planet. Truth is obviously something quite different and it shows in how we run the country and how each of us behave. We expect the government to fix all the problems that are there.

I have an idea and may be some venture capital fund can pick up and run with it. It seems there are lot of patentable ideas that are generated in India but for lack of funds they never get patented. Can some VC fund "buy" those ideas by paying for their filing fees and make a legal document to the effect that if that idea becomes commercial and make money the original inventor gets certain percentage of the total income generated.

 VGS replied to: wills 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

59: Indian govt should take it up and push the R&D activities and to motivate the scientict to take further improvements to face globel challenges and prove ouselves and a one nation

Posted by: Samir Momin - 08 Feb, 2010

60:Yes. Govt is planning for a RnD center to reaserch about couple of things. Major ones include, how to escape out of multi crore scandals, how to devide and fool People based on langauge/ community and how to easily win elections.

 Desi replied to: Samir Momin 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

61: Indian government should take up initiatives to improve research and development in the country to improve this situation..

Posted by: girish - 08 Feb, 2010

62:I worked with Samsung Electronics in India, in a period of one year i have filed 8 patents, Samsung being a Korean company files patents in Korea, so a lot of patent ideas of Indian Engineers are filed in S Korea.

 simith nambiar replied to: girish 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

63: Very interesting point, Mr Nambiar. What it means is, all the US and multinational co.'s located in India, file their patents in their own country, and most likely in the US because that is where you can make the most money on your patents and where your ideas are most protected.

In the US, patent filing is money/business driven, whereas in China it is driven by the govt and national honor. Everything goes....even a stupid invention. I know someone (a laborer) who has two patents for keeping a bear can cold a little longer. Indians are known for not writing it down on the paper, let alone patenting. They even learn about their own history from the writings of Huen Tsong. It is in our blood.

 Lettruthbetold replied to:  simith nambiar 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

64: Its really so sad, Govt of India have to change the policies on Patent filing for Foreign Companies(typo mistake) which is R & D here..

 Hari replied to:  simith nambiar 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

65: Its really so sad, Govt of India have to change the policies on Patent filing for Foreign countries

 Hari replied to:  simith nambiar 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

66:only problem is in India is the corrupt government system.

 Balwant replied to: girish 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

67: Filing a patent is not a big deal. Even a small modification in a machine or a small change in a process is eligible for a patent. But how much your patent will make a drastic improvement, is important.
About the intelligence I feel Indians think more out of the box, Compared to our Chinese counterparts, It is my observation after more than 1 yr being in China working for an MNC.
Further during my education in India, I felt that we are never allowed to think beyond the informations available in text books. So we should change our education method.

 Abhishek replied to:  Balwant 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

68: Don't ever again comment on corruption. Corruption is not only the reason. The education system is also one of the reasons. Children should grow with a proper guidance also. If parents are not well educated that will have a major impact of their children. I am an example, I don't know about IIT till I have completed by Post Graduation. We all are scolding others, but when it is our turn then we will keep silent. If Indian Govt. is corrupted, if Govt. employees are corrupted then from where the great person Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam came?

Never say India is CORRUPTED. Question your self atleast once whether 'Am I PERFECT?', if yes then change yourself and try to change others.

 Venkat replied to:  Balwant 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

69: Politics has become a way - and perhaps the only way in India today - to amass unimaginable wealth in the shortest possible of time. Of course, entry to the club is becoming increasingly difficult because politicians have realised that getting one or more of their offsprings into politics is the surest way of ensuring the ill-gotten wealth stays. The façade of ‘youth’ is being used to legitimise power and money procured by dubious means.

We, the voters of the country, are as much to blame. We don’t demand accountability. We keep voting back to power the same folks who keep ripping us off. And in all this, we stay a poor country - waiting forever for the date with destiny.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)

 Dr.A.Jagadeesh  replied to: Venkat 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

70: Sorry, there is a change in the comment.

Never say India is CORRUPTED. Question your self atleast once whether 'Am I PERFECT?', if no then change yourself and try to change others.

 Venkat  replied to: Venkat 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

71: @69
"nasa has 70% indians , silicon city has 60% of indians ... these patents comes from indians brains only guys!"

Stop falling victim to an Internet hoax! Your statistics are all fake. Even the Times of India made fun of your statistics a while back. See http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/I ndia-rising-in-US-Govt-falls-victim-to-net-ho ax/articleshow/2856295.cms

 Jeff replied to: Venkat 
 post - 18 Feb, 2010

72: i think no one knows the insights of these statistics , US tops in patents , but the best part is ... nasa has 70% indians , silicon city has 60% of indians ... these patents comes from indians brains only guys !

Sad part is we indians don't have guts to come back to our own country and stay here for good ... we earn good in other countries but unfortunately the bigger benefit is to alien country which is generating revenue :(

 Diwakar Chittora replied to: Venkat 
 post - 11 Feb, 2010